Transcript 0:00 [funky music] Welcome back to Bitcoin Season Two. 0:35 The following conversations were recorded live at Inscribing Nashville behind the stage at the Blockspace Studio. 0:43 We were super happy to partner with Inscribing Atlantis on this conference series, and feature extended, unscripted, off-the-cuff conversations with some of the headlining guests of that conference. 0:56 Make sure to subscribe to the new Bitcoin Season Two YouTube channel, Bitcoin Season Two is the handle. And check out other Blockspace media content, in particular the Gwarth Show and the Mining Pod. 1:10 If you aren't already, head to blockspace.media to subscribe to our newsletter featuring Ordinals, runes, Bitcoin mining, Bitcoin tech content and insights. 1:21 We are doing a lot of, uh, cool stuff in that newsletter over the coming couple months. And make sure to check out the Blockspace social media. We will be announcing some things, including a conference here very soon. 1:35 But without further ado, let's get to this interview. Cool. Okay, we're live. I got Brian and Toby, OrdinalsBot, the, the core team. What are your guys' titles, actually? Yeah. 1:48 What's interesting, we're currently going by co-founders, [laughs] and we're all wearing many hats at the moment. Uh, you know, so I, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty much, like, handling all the product side, you know. 1:57 And Toby's doing a lot of strategy stuff. We've got, like, uh, expert backend devs on our core- on our founding team as well. 2:03 And, uh, so we've not nailed it yet, but basically we're all going by co-founders at the minute. Yeah, exactly. 2:10 So, so, um, uh, yeah, head of strategy and, and lead up a lot of the business and, and, uh, investor side kind of thing, so. And it sounds like the team's expanded a lot over the past year. 2:23 How many people have you added to OrdinalsBot in the past 400 days? Yeah, about four people, so we've got a 12-man team now, um, which is really cool. Uh, we n- we need it. 2:34 There's [laughs] a whole lot of work coming in our, in our way. Um, and lucky enough to, to, you know, get that, get our rou- our round raised and, um, get the funding in, and it was e- exactly for this purpose, right? 2:44 To expand the team and try and challenge us full on, you know. Um, we understand that there's, you know, bull runs don't last forever, so there's, like, a limited window here. 2:52 So yeah, we've got a really solid, ambitious plan, and now we've got a really great team to try and execute on that plan, you know. So... 3:00 W- uh, you know, I've seen you guys, pretty much every beat over the past year and a half, have, like, something that OrdinalsBot does. W- 'cause, like, a lot of people think it's not just Ordinals. 3:10 There's Ordinals, runes, there's tokens, there's minting services, there's collection launches. But at e- each one of those beats, you guys have had involvement, you've had a product. 3:22 What actually is OrdinalsBot- [laughs]... as an overall business? Are you all of those things? Are you services? Are you... Like, what's the angle here? It's a great, great question. 3:33 I mean, it, it started out of necessity. It started out of, "Hey, I'm a creative person, I wanna put my stuff on Bitcoin. How do I do that?" And this is, like, January 2023, right? 3:42 So, you know, nobody was doing anything then. Uh, I, I, I, I, I, I luckily enough fell into, uh, Casey's, like, Casey and Adam's podcast basically at the end of 2022, and I'm like, "Wow"- Many such cases. "Right. 3:53 Wow, this is cool," you know. And then, "So how do I do it?" Okay, you need to run your own Bitcoin node, you need to run the Ord index. No idea about that. 4:00 So I reached out to a friend of mine who I worked with in the past. He's a great, uh, Lightning dev actually. He's worked in Bitcoin many years. 4:06 Um, and he was already building essentially the backend of OrdinalsBot with the same idea in mind. And then we just put a front end on it and launched it over the weekend, and it was absolutely crazy. 4:14 So the initial incarnation basically of OrdinalsBot was a really easy way to inscribe things, drag and drop. We take away the technical burden, and we allow you just to, just to, just to inscribe stuff basically. 4:25 And that ethos has kinda carried on through everything else we've done, where essentially it's like, what else can we make easy for people? Let's make launching collections easier for people. 4:32 Let's make marketplaces easier for people. And we've done it in a way where it's always API first as well, so we're an API-first company. 4:39 So we build out our API that other people can use, and then we also utilize it to build our own products as well. Yeah, and your stuff powers a lot of the ecosystem. Like, it's not just OrdinalsBot.com. Like, your API, 4:51 I actually have not done a checkup of who's using whose stuff yet. Yeah. [laughs] But, like, it's... A lot of the services in the ecosystem over the past couple years have been powered by you guys. 4:59 Yeah, the early, you know, um, Xverse and, and Leather were using us i- initially for the BRC20 transfers, 'cause it was just an easy API, easy to transfer inscriptions that way. Um, we've got really custom things. 5:11 Like, more, more recently, we're, we're working with Pizza Ninjas to offer a really kinda cool, um, custom experience for feeding your nin pizza pet, which is coming soon. 5:20 So that was a whole cool thing, and that's fully built with our API. 5:23 We've got many people also building marketplaces with our API, which I think is a really interesting avenue because, yeah, maybe, maybe you want to build a marketplace just for your project or a very specific niche, you know, where things might get lost on a bigger marketplace. 5:36 You can have your own marketplace and obviously generate your own fees and stuff. So I, I, I, I see the marketplace API becoming a, a huge player as well, but that takes time to build that stuff as well. 5:46 So you're building... What I hear, you're just building everything. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] I mean, we, we build things that excite us, first of all- Yeah... right, as well. 5:53 And, and, and, you know, when we see a use case for them, uh, w- and also when people ask us for it as well. So a lot of it is customer driven. 6:00 Um, a- and then some of it is just like, "Oh, would- wouldn't it be cool if we did this?" So we literally just announced yesterday [laughs] also something else, which is called TokenPay. 6:09 So basically we're now allowing people to just- Yeah, I saw this. Yeah. Like, pay with runes. Pay with runes, and then coming soon, BRC20 as well. So essentially like a payment gateway for runes- Yeah... 6:17 with an API mentality.What are you most excited about what you guys are building, Toby? Yeah. 6:22 They-- Well, I, I, I almost feel like everything, but I, I think the-- We, we've, we've been planning for a long time to launch a marketplace in September, right? So we, we have a, um, a marketplace that 6:36 I think that will be something that really joins up all the services because at the moment, um, what's great is we've, we've really like I think owned very much like the inscription niche, especially for like high-end things. 6:55 And I think that when we add in the marketplace functionality with the token pay product, people can then pay with any BRC-20 runes that we-we're trying to create a really differentiated marketplace. 7:08 So I think like where we've been thinking about that is we've got like obviously the four megas that we've 7:18 done really well at working, uh, with the Marathon slipstream service to like do about ninety percent of the four megas put onto Bitcoin, right? So- That's-- I, I feel like we could talk about it the whole time. I- Yeah. 7:30 This is- Yeah. One of the most exciting things I think to happen in Bitcoin. Yeah. Um, you guys have delivered ninety percent. Like that's almost all of them. Yeah. What's-- I'm curious about this like what is... 7:45 How does this look like? What does this look like? What do people do? Like if I wanna make a four mega, who do I call? You, you call Ghostbusters, no I'm joking. [laughing] Yeah. [laughing] Actually, I wa- It's you guys. 7:52 You see the backpacks. I watched Go- I watched Ghostbusters on the airplane, so that's why it was, it was on the front of my mind there. But no, you can call us, right? So 7:59 like Toby said, like we've been really in the, in the weeds with this stuff, so we're, we've became quite professional at like understanding all of the gotchas that come with this. Um- There's a lot of gotchas. 8:08 Yeah, for sure. It's Bitcoin, right? It's not, this is not standard stuff. They're called non-standard transaction for a reason. 8:14 Um, but luckily, you know, we've got a crack team of, of Bitcoin devs who really, really understand Bitcoin at its core and are able to construct complicated transactions. 8:23 So yeah, people have been coming to us with all sorts of different needs. Um, and mainly it's, you know, I, I want to inscribe a large file because I want to be on number one on Ord.io. I want to be the largest file. 8:33 And that's fine until you're not the largest file anymore, right? So for some context, the first, um, transaction that we did with Mara, uh, was our own one. We did our-- We minted our own BRC-20 token. 8:45 It's like the big Trio token thing. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. 8:47 And, and, and there was also a five hundred kilobyte video file in that block, which is obviously over the four hundred kilobyte limit, so it was a non-standard thing anyway. 8:55 So when we inscribed that video file, that was the fifth largest ever inscription. 9:00 And now we're like we've, we've rugged ourself because now we've been offering this to other people, and that video file is now like twenty-fifth, basically- Yeah... 'cause we've just been offering this service. 9:08 But no, the way I look at it is people, um, a, a good analogy, uh, in my mind is like it's like the Times Square billboard, basically. 9:15 So, you know, you spend whatever it is, six hundred grand to get on Times Square for, for two minutes, and then, you know, you see yourself there, then you're gone, then the next person comes in. 9:23 So it's very similar to that analogy because when someone inscribes a large file and then, you know, they become... They get that number one spot, l-literally the largest file inscribed on Bitcoin. 9:33 Everyone shouts about it, right? It's all over Twitter. It's really great advertisement. So, you know, it's, it's relatively worth it. 9:38 It's quite expensive, but it's relatively worth it for that if you've want to use it as an advertisement platform. 9:43 And then, yeah, apart from that, there's also cool things you can do where you can mint your whole collection on a block just to have own that block and all these different things. 9:52 I think that's one of the more underappreciated, uh, mechanics, the like mint your whole collection in a block. Yeah. Because like Degods did it. That was very prominent, very successful. 10:03 Um, some other people have done it. I'm actually curious, has anybody done it with you guys? I forget who's- No, we've not done collections yet. Um, we've-- Oh, actually we did the, the Mutant Hounds. So- Okay. 10:14 Yeah, yeah. So Mu-Mutant Hounds was a complicated one because it was-- We had to inscribe the parent and then also put the children under that pa- Oh, so you had to make, you had to make sure- In the same transaction... 10:23 the transactions were ordered correctly. Yeah. Yeah. But in the same transaction, uh, same block, sorry. So that was a really, that was a tough challenge to try and get right, correct. 10:29 But we did it, and it, it was all fine. And then we did, um, we did, oh, we did Runestones, um, but we actually did the airdrop ourself. 10:37 And then o-on our, on that block we mentioned, I mentioned that we did f-the first block with Mara. 10:42 I, I inscribed five thousand three hundred cl-- I, I threw five thousand three hundred HTML files on there as well- Hell yeah... that, that point to a JavaScript file that I can up-update later. 10:51 So right now it's a placeholder with the Trio logo, and then I can basically up-update that later for us. So we're gonna get a, are we gonna get a Brough Star collection? No, I, I mean, um, um- An Ordinal collection. 11:00 Yeah, but Ordinals but like- Ordinals with like three icons. Yeah. Yeah. A-And I'm going to find a really cool artist to do something special- Yeah... 11:04 and then we'll give it away to our, our holders of our token basically. That's really cool. 11:06 Like, I feel there's a lot of people, I mean, me included, we were, we were there since the beginning, and a lot of us have-- We've wanted to do something of our own. Yeah. 11:18 But it's now a year and a half in, and there's not-- Maybe some of us haven't like put out a lot, put anything out. I have not actually had any of my own work, if ever. But it's, it's cool because I feel like 11:33 even though the market on top of Ordinals and Runes churns so quickly, 11:39 there's a bit of a different personality to it because, um, I know that this is going to be-- I know that these files are going to be on Bitcoin for forever. Mm-hmm. 11:47 So I can be a little more patient and thoughtful in how I do things, which gets into like you can kinda just reserve- Yeah... your spot and then wait for the right opportunity to roll that out with Ordinals bot. 12:03 So- Hundred percent. Yeah. Um, you know, you talk about some of the engineering challenges. I'll throw this to Toby. Like it's not... 12:12 Did you-- You guys, I would say, probably did not have the internal skill set on the engineering side a year and a half ago to do all these Bitcoin things. 12:21 This has been-As I talk off camera to you guys, like, kind of blood, sweat, and tears figuring things out by the seat of your pants as we go. What is it like to build the plane as you fly it? 12:36 What does it look like from engineers? How, how are you guys doing that? Yeah, no. So I think we were really lucky, right? 12:42 Because we had, um, Zach and Brian at the get-go, and they were both two very experimental engineers. 12:50 So basically, like, had a head of product and a CTO, one who'd been in Bitcoin for, like, eight years and just knew Lightning, knew a lot of stuff backwards, and was really good at just, like, piecing together. 13:05 He's a very experimental engineer. Uh, and then Brian is, like, the best at throwing together a product and, like, one of the best engineers I've ever worked with for launching an MVP. 13:17 It's always, like, rolling out every week. Like, like, a lot of them don't stick, but the ones that do, do really, really well. So it's classic, like, lean startup stuff where we're, we're rolling out all that stuff. 13:30 But that was also terrifying because they're very much, like, on the experimental side of engineering. 13:36 And so, like, our next hires needed to be, like, much more steady devs who could pro- like professionalize the architecture, m- like, like people with weirdly like, like, like it's a cliché in startups, right? 13:51 But basically, you need to hire people who are better at many different things than you, which can be quite tricky. 13:57 But, like, we've been really lucky to find some amazing Bitcoin devs and, um, like, front-end devs to, like, like, build a really, really strong team around. But we've seen it's just really not easy as well, right? 14:13 Like, like we- we've had a lot of like, like, probably, like, 50% of our hires go right and, and still 50% of them misfire, and we're, like, that's a battle for us, and that's quite scary. 14:26 Yeah, and it, it's interesting, like, the, the Ordinals protocol, as you know itself, when it was launched last January, wasn't finished, and Casey openly admits that. 14:32 He's like, he didn't expect it to blow up as much as it did. So not only were we trying to build our own stuff, but we're also up against, like, Casey finalizing, Casey and Raf finalizing the, the, the protocol itself. 14:43 So, you know, and we m- like, made it an internal, like, note to say, "Hey, we need to stay up to date with these changes, otherwise we're going to l- l- lose out here." 14:50 So every time there was a new release, we would always make sure we're on top of it and get it released to our, to our community. Um, so that was, that was also a challenge, but, you know, one that was welcome. 14:59 And then, yeah, you know, me, me and Zach basically built this thing over a weekend, and it, it was, it's the, it was very fast. So, like, when the next dev come in, he's just like, "How is this working?" 15:09 Like [laughs] so there's a whole lot- Barely... there's a whole lot of- Got a chain. Yeah. There's a whole lot of code that we've worked through. 15:13 But now, you know, actually this is, like, maybe eight months later, um, we're in a really strong position. 15:18 The, the new dev we hired really professionalized our whole setup, you know, scaled us up massively, and we're in a really solid position now for like, you know, scalability and s- and security and everything else, so. 15:29 And, and on top of that, but, like, this ecosystem's had to figure out its footing. I mean, we have had several inscribing Atlantis type events- Mm-hmm... over the past year. 15:41 The seminal one I think was maybe in Amsterdam. Mm-hmm. But y- you guys, how do I put, how do I put this nicely for the other rest of the ecosystem? 15:50 Not everyone's, like, out there, like, supporting the in-person events and, like, has a, a budget and consideration for, like- Mm-hmm... more communal, uh, get-togethers. But you guys have been out there every time. 16:04 You guys are always, like, present in these in-person events wherever they are in the world, and you're always very, like, generous and supportive of the ecosystem. Um, just talk me through, like, your mindset there. 16:15 Like, that's a very clear decision, and I see it, and I think a lot of the, the Ord influencers out there also see it. And that's why you're top of mind. Um, yeah. 16:25 I just kind of invite you to, like, toot your own horn a bit here. Like I really- Yeah... appreciate that. Well, I think it's, it, it's a very virtuous circle. We're, we're building a very early industry, right? 16:37 So I think, like, we're in the lucky position where we're running a, more of a business than, than some, some other groups. Um, and, and I think we, we just see it as 16:50 we want to be everywhere where, um, like, furthering mind share in, in the Ordinals Runes BRC20 space, kind of just, 17:01 like, I think, like, this is a movement, and I think you, you see it with the inscribing Nashville folks as well, right? Like, like, they deserve a ton of credit. 17:10 There's so many different other, like, niche groups around the world. But I think the, the key really is, like, and, and Brian and the team, we've all talked about it a lot, is sort of how do we actually f- like, 17:25 get more of a kind of, like, more a trade body style stuff? 17:29 How do we get, like, people collaborating in this kind of decentralized environment to really push forward, like, an industry with standards, um, like, proper ways of doing things. 17:43 And I think, like, like, it's at events like this where those early conversations are had, and then it's like, how do we get... 17:53 Maintain the ethos that is really, really fun and community driven, which I think, like, everyone loves about the early Ordinals ecosystem. 18:01 And I think, like, like, we, we always come back from any of these conferences absolutely buzzing by, like, all of the conversations. So we-- I think we just enjoy it as well. So it's reinvigorating. Yeah. 18:12 And, and it has proven to be really great for b- business development as well. 18:15 Like, you know, we're, we, we honestly come back from here and it takes us, like, a week to go through the Telegram posts and everything because it's, it's that busy. 18:22 But I really like we both said about, like, the, the, the, there's something special about these events because as Toby mentioned, it's, it's a new industry we're building here essentially. 18:30 We're really the one of-- We're all the first... companies in this industry. 18:33 And, um, there's another little thing where we're all com- competing against each other in some respect in different ways, especially Ordinals Bot, 'cause we're doing a lot of things, so we have got competitors. 18:43 But, like, we're not treating e- each other like competitors, you know? We're always happy to see each other. We're always, like, interested in what other people are doing. 18:49 It's definitely different vibes that I've seen from other ecosystems in terms of just competitiveness. Because we're all really early, we're all just pointing in the same direction, basically. 18:58 Um, and it's just really great to come and see people that you've, you've been speaking to for a year online, you know? Yeah. 19:02 It's 'cause, like, you know, I think about the past couple years, I'm like, man, half these people I kind of was in business with or had business relationships with, and I've had pretty positive experiences. 19:11 And maybe- Mm-hmm... we'll circle back on those. 19:14 [laughs] You know, it's one of those things where because it is so small, I realize, like, everyone at these conferences, like, I, I will probably have to brush shoulders with for many years to come. Mm-hmm. 19:23 So you wanna be nice. You wanna be, like... You wanna, like, be collaborative insofar as, like, you can be as somewhat competitors in the ecosystem. Yeah. So I get that. 19:32 Um, what's the, what's the near term look like for you guys? You know, I'm gonna try to get this episode out within the next several days. Um, you got some short-term, like, 19:43 uh, events, call to actions you might wanna get out? Yeah, for sure. So I, I can talk about just quickly on the product, and then Toby can talk about, um, some projects that we're doing. 19:50 And actually we're doing an event as well, so I'd love to mention that. Um, so yeah, from the, from the product side, again, we're... We've got so s- huge ambitions, right? 19:58 Like you say, the API will be, like, covering quite a lot of use cases. So we need to, like, you know, focus and get those things out the door one at a time. So then the next one up is TokenPay, the payment gateway. 20:08 And then, like Toby said, by the end of the year, we're planning to get our marketplace ready, and then that has got to really coalesce our, our whole API and showcase what c- we can do. 20:16 Because, yeah, like I mentioned, we've got people building marketplaces right now, but they're up against it with building their own UI, building all their stuff. 20:22 So it's like, let's be like, like with the, with Ordinals Bot, let's be like first-class users of our own marketplace API and showcase a really cool marketplace. 20:30 So that's kind of our plan for the end of the year, basically. Call it eating our own dog food. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'm actually kinda curious about TokenPay. Like, how- Yeah... how does it actually work? 20:40 Yeah. So, um, it's, it's, essentially, uh... Oh, oh, uh, basically I can't, I can't go into any details right now, but- No. Yeah, you don't have to. Well- No. It, it, it... 20:49 We're trying to make it as, like, a non-custodial as possible and, and as essentially, like, as, as, as flexible as possible. So I, I can't get into the weeds of the technicals. I'm not, I'm not knowledgeable about that. 20:59 But at a high level, from the API point of view, it's very flexible in terms of you can make an order, right? And then someone fulfills that order, and then you'll get a notification that it's been fulfilled. 21:08 So with that me- being said, you can then build that into any flow where you're waiting on a payment happening. Like let's say someone buys something, then you can pull our API. With that order, has it been... 21:19 Has it confirmed yet? No. Okay, it's confirmed. So once it's confirmed, they can go do something. So that's like a really flexible order payment kinda gateway, so. And that... So I can consume that API. 21:29 I consume the TokenPay API after you launch it. Yep. And I can have people pay with pups or wizards or- Exactly. Any rune, yeah. Yeah. Is that- Yeah. And still try to, like, floor it on Magic Eden [laughs] or something. 21:41 Yeah. Well, well, well, that's, that's afterwards. But yeah, that's the, that's the idea. 21:45 'Cause, you know, we've seen a l- the reason it came into existence because a lot of people were in our inbox saying, "Hey, can I do a mint with runes? Can I, can I pay with runes? Can I do this?" 21:53 You know, "I've got this idea to... Of a custom website where I want to allow people to buy stuff with runes." 21:58 So it's like, okay, let's cover all these use cases with a really flexible API where we can build it up from the ground up, basically. So. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. So we're g- Yeah... 22:07 we're doing some cool projects as well. Yeah. And, um, so, so really excited. 22:11 Like, um, we're, we'll be, um, doing a full press after this, this podcast airs on, um, uh, the, the Trevor Jones mint that we're working on, which is pretty cool. So, like, Trevor's, like, a really OG Bitcoin artist. 22:27 He did his famous Bitcoin Angel. 22:30 Uh, he's, he's recently done, like, an extension of that, which are these kind of, uh, NFT statues, which are not on Bitcoin actually, but, but the, um, but there, there was a collection of these archangels. 22:43 And then he's doing, uh, 7,777 angels underneath. So the archangel are the parents. These very high-end physical statues attached to an NFT on another chain. And then, then he's bringing hi- he... 22:59 As the guy who did the Bitcoin Angel and has been talking about Bitcoin for... This is actually his first proper collection on Bitcoin, on Ordinals, and we're doing all these, these angels. 23:11 Um, and that's, um, launching in early August. Um, we're, we're... Yeah. We'll, we'll be putting out some press in this episode. So that's, that's been amazing. Been really cool. 23:21 Trevor's here at the conference, so we're gonna be catching up with him and, and that's been amazing. 23:26 Then we're also, um, we've got an Elvis impersonator in tow with us for, uh- I was just about to ask if you had an Elvis impersonator. [laughs] I'm glad I got beat. 23:36 [laughs] Uh, so basically, um, we're, we're partnering with the Elvis estate. Um, so who... Elvis estate- Well, we are in Tennessee Yeah, yeah. It's here. Exactly. It's down the street from us. Exactly. Exactly. 23:47 So an Elvis impersonator's gonna be joining us at our booth, and at the, at, at our party on Saturday night, um, to just, uh- I just wanna get drunk with the Elvis impersonator. Yeah, exactly. [laughs] Everyone will do. 23:59 Yeah. So we'll, we'll tell you, tell you when you, when you need to come, and he'll, he'll, he'll give you anecdotes of, uh... Yeah. 24:05 But, but exactly, it couldn't feel better being in Tennessee, hanging out with Elvis people. Uh- The thing is, he's, like, one of the world's most renowned, like, impersonators- [laughs]... 24:15 and we're just, like, parading him around for selfies. [laughs]So Yeah, yeah. Actually, it's tribute artist, I think is- Oh, sorry. Sorry... the term. The Elvis Estate would- Oh, yeah. 24:24 'Cause they're impersonator could be legally docked- Oh, okay.... whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Tribute artist. 24:29 But yeah, so, but anyway, we're, we're dropping a collection, uh, with the Elvis Estate, the art of Joe Patricio, and it's gonna be a 2,000 NFT collection. 24:40 So Joe Patricio is, is an artist that, um, is very, very collectible actually. His, like, his work goes for $5,000, $10,000, $20,000 kind of thing. 24:53 Uh, and you'll be able to own a digital version of that for, like, initially at the mint price, like $150. 24:59 So we think this is, like, gonna be a very n- good normie collectible because it's a bit like the Damien Hirst thing or whatever- Mm-hmm... right? Where this is art that you can get the digital 25:14 art for much better value than, than, uh... But it's, it's a w- respected artist that many Elvis fans will want to own. 25:24 And, and that's, like, I think one of the pathways of where you see, like, ordinals making stuff more accessible for people. Yeah. So we got a lot of stuff lined up. 25:36 You guys have not hopped off the treadmill ever since I encountered Brian under his pseudonym Bruffstar- [laughs]... online. I feel like we are all exhausted here, but, like, I still have that fire under my ass. 25:53 [laughs] I feel like you guys do too. 100%. Yeah. I could, I could do with some real world treadmills, actually. Yeah. [laughs] I'm just, uh, uh, sitting at the computer all day. 25:59 But yeah, I think, uh, you're totally right. I, I, I get up every day, and I'm totally excited to work on this stuff. And, um, you know, me and Toby got off call sometimes, it's like, "What is this life," right? 26:08 So- Yeah... you know, e- e- you know, e- even for, for even just the, uh, like, this Elvis one, Joe Patricio is a really cool artist. Trevor Jones, I've knew for years. I've always been a fan of his stuff. 26:17 We- we're, we're, we're also taking over the Spartacus Project as well. Yeah, so- Oh, hell yeah. [laughs] Yeah. So we're, so but we got in contact with that team. 26:24 Um, and unfortunately, the, the, the inscription partners they had kinda couldn't- Yeah... couldn't handle it. I know, they... Yeah. So they put it on pause, yeah. 26:30 So we've got to bring it back and, and totally, like, handle that for them, uh, uh, pro bono, at no service fee. 26:36 Um, and, and basically take it over and get it, get it operational again, especially now that he's, you know, released them. Now that Julian's out- Yeah. 100%, yeah... like, this shit's so cool. Yeah, huge news. Yeah. 26:44 Yeah. So that's been... And, and I- And one of the larger... I can say this. Yeah, one of the larger, like, projects, Spartacus- Very cool. So we're actually thinking- Yeah. Yeah... 26:52 we are, we're, we're actually thinking about, um, so rolling that back and offering you the, the, the new one's parent child potentially, 'cause of the way... 26:59 We wanna nail the parent child component there as well, and you guys didn't get that with the current, previous provider properly. So- Bro, I just wanna get the Weekly Leaks docs preserved on Bitcoin. Yeah. 27:07 That's all I wanna do. [laughs] Yeah. I've got some really cool ideas that I've been bringing to the team. But that, that, that's just one of those things where it's like, what is this life? 27:14 We're talking to, like, these, this amazing team and with an amazing initiative, and yeah. And also, like, Ghostface Killah and- Yeah... French Montana, and like [laughs] Yeah. 27:22 You get, like, real rappers, like- What is this- [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. What is this life, you know? Um, but anyway, so that, that... 27:28 The project thing's been really cool, and I think we are, we're getting more traction of, like, being known as, like, yeah, the more high-end kinda inscription people- Yeah... service. 27:35 And, um, uh, well, one more thing I wanted to mention is the event as well. We're doing Ordinals London. Yeah. So we're doing Ordinals London on October the 17th. Um, so Charlie, you should be there. 27:45 We'll, we'll talk about after the thing, but- Okay. I'm gonna put it on my Google Calendar. [laughs] Just after N- yeah, Amsterdam, you know, so- If- Yeah. Come out to Amsterdam, stay for a week. 27:53 We'll do it in London, and, and there'll be, like, a really nice- Yeah... high-end event there in London. October 17th- Yeah... is my anniversary, so- Oh, wow. Okay... my 10-year anniversary. 28:04 We have literally been planning on trying to travel somewhere in Europe. Fucking hell. Nice. I think- London. [laughs] Maybe it's London. Let's go. And then Scotland. Yeah. 28:13 You know, the best thing about UK is Scotland, so you should- Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. I spent- London's great, but it's full of English people... I spent 10 years in Scotland, or 10 days in Scotland actually. Yeah. Yeah. 28:19 Beautiful country, so. Love it, yeah. Um, boys, I really enjoyed chatting with you. Yeah. I enjoy doing this crazy ordinals thing with you guys. Yeah. 28:27 Um, where can we find you, and, um, yeah, tell the people where to find you. Yeah, definitely. So I, I g- I go by Bruffstar, B-R-U-F-F-S-T-A-R, on the interwebs basically since forever, since 2003, basically. 28:41 Since Geo- GeoCities, [laughs] you know, like back in the day. It's like your, your Halo game. That's my MSN Messenger was... Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. It was, was Bruffstar. Um, so yeah, I'm on there. 28:48 And, and yeah, please feel free to reach out to me anytime. And if you're looking to do anything with ordinals, any crazy ideas you've got, we're more than happy to hear it. 28:55 We're all about crazy ideas at Ordinals Bot, basically. Yeah. And Toby Novum, T-O-B-Y N-O-V-U-M on Twitter. Um, and then obviously Ordinals Bot, @OrdinalsBot. 29:07 So, so you can ping us on Twitter, and there's ordinalsbot.com as well, so, so yeah. Cool, guys. Well, let's have a good conference. Let's go. Very cool. Cheers, guys. Cheers. Bye-bye. 29:16 [outro music]
