Transcript 0:00 Welcome back to Bitcoin Season Two. I'm Charlie Spears with Blockspace Media. Today, we've got Gabriel Shipton, film producer and family of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. 0:10 I've also got a recurring guest on the show, Brian Lachlan with Ordinals Bot, who's helping them work on Project Spartacus. If you're not familiar, we will talk about it. We are putting the Afghan war logs on Bitcoin. 0:25 Before we get started, I want to shout out our sponsor, Arch Network, and I want to welcome all the new CoinDesk listeners. As for the title of the show, Bitcoin Season Two, we are kind of figuring it out as we go. 0:35 It's all the new stuff happening on Bitcoin, um, whether it be Ordinals to B- deep Bitcoin technical discussion to high-level cultural conversation. Ordinals, layer twos, the, uh, new topics on the oldest blockchain. 0:47 I like to feature new faces in the Bitcoin discourse landscape. [upbeat music] Okay, so I've got Brian Brufstar Lachlan here and Gabriel Shipton. 1:04 Welcome to Bitcoin Season Two, guys. Hey, Charlie, good to be here. Yeah, good to be with you. And we are recording on three different continents. You've got, uh, Brufstar... I'm gonna say Bruf for, for simplicity. 1:16 Bruf on-- in, in Switzerland and Gabriel in Australia, which means we found a very narrow window in which to have this conversation. Um, but I wanna invite Gabriel, um, walk me through what Project Spartacus is. 1:31 Like, what's the purpose of this, and what are we actually doing? Well, I, you know, I'm a, a filmmaker, a storyteller. 1:39 That's my, uh, that's my background and, uh, I guess what really attracted me to Project Spartacus was, uh, these elements that involve Julian's story. 1:49 How do we, uh, engage a community, um, and get people involved, uh, in a different way, in an interesting way, and, and bringing in, uh, the Bitcoin blockchain a-as well in those elements. 2:04 So, uh, Project Spartacus, to me, is, uh, an invitation, uh, to people to stand with Julian, uh, to publish the exact same information, uh, that Julian was persecuted for, for fourteen years. 2:18 You know, he had his freedom taken away from him, uh, for fourteen years. 2:21 He spent seven years in a, in a small embassy, uh, inside London and then five years in a maximum security prison, uh, for publishing this information. And so we're inviting people to... 2:34 or Project Spartacus is inviting people to stand with Julian, uh, and publish the exact same information, uh, that he was imprisoned for. But also it has, uh, an archiving element to it. 2:48 You're archiving this incredibly important, uh, data set, uh, this, uh, of the Afghan war. 2:57 Uh, the, these diaries are essentially the perspective of the conqueror, the, the, uh, of, of, of the US Army in, in Afghanistan. 3:08 So archiving that, uh, to the Bitcoin blockchain, uh, so it's there forever, it's not changeable, uh, and it, um, can be accessed by everyone. 3:19 And one of the interesting things is that, um, you started this project prior to Julian being, uh, uh, getting released, uh, from custody, and, uh, I believe that was in last summer, right? 3:36 And so, um, but you've-- but because of technical challenges, the project had to be paused and you've resur- you guys have resurrected it. 3:45 And so the project continues even though Julian is now, uh, out in the comparatively free world. Um, can you talk to me about, like, this? Because I feel that almost, like, 3:58 it, it, it's kind of interesting evolution of the project. Well, it was always an incredibly, uh, ambitious, uh, undertaking. 4:06 You know, it sort of, uh, was very early in the Ordinals, uh, in the Ordinals, um, I guess life, uh, the life of Ordinals, the, the project, and it was always very ambitious. 4:20 Uh, and so, you know, it, it did meet some technical challenges. Uh, and I mean, it's amazing that Julian is actually free. Sometimes I still can't believe it. 4:31 You know, we fought for so long, um, to, to get him out of prison. But I, you know, I think this project still stands on its own i-in that sense. 4:40 Um, it's still a way for Bitcoiners or even activists who believe in what Julian did to really, uh, you know, participate and, um, stand with Julian and give Julian, I guess, a form of protection because even though he's released, he did ple-plead guilty, 4:59 uh, to essentially what is, 5:02 uh, the full chain of investigative journalism, uh, communicating with a source, uh, publishing, uh, classified information, which is, [chuckles] uh, you know, the, the, the key part of, uh, Spartacus and possessing classified information. 5:17 So even though he is free, he is very much, um, muzzled in a way, uh, by this plea deal. 5:25 Uh, he can-- If he were to publish, uh, more classified information, more leaks, uh, then the plea deal actually says that all bets are off, uh, and that these charges could, uh, be leveraged against him. 5:38 So this is still a way that people can, uh, stand with Julian and say, "You know, this is very unfair treatment of him, and it actually endangers, uh, all of humanity, our right to know what our governments do in our name, our right to know what they're doing, uh, with our tax dollars." 5:56 This plea agreement, uh, threatens, uh, threatens, uh, those rights. 6:03 But just going back to the evolution of the projectUh, you know, uh, Ordinals Bot is now, uh, you know, Bruff's doing, uh, worked on the back end, and, uh, the project's, you know, working seamlessly now. 6:17 And so having, uh, the, you know, the premier, uh, developer group, uh, of Ordinals, uh, working on the back end of this project, uh, has made it, uh, super reliable, and yeah, looking forward to, uh, watching people, uh, you know, inscribe these war logs. 6:36 Yeah. I'll, uh, I'll toss a question to you, Bruff, which is like, um, 6:40 you-- because this was, this was a project which started very early on in Ordinals, and I think maybe the average user today says, "Oh, well, it's just, it's, uh, Ordinals are JPEGs that I collect, and it's just, they just kinda magically work." 6:52 But this is not the case, and there's a lot of technical lift that you guys and other people across the ecosystem have done. 7:00 Can you talk to me about why Ordinals Bot, uh, kind of came in and how you solved some of these previous engineering challenges? Yeah, for sure. [clears throat] I mean, it was twenty twenty-three, right? 7:10 I, I remember watching, uh, Stella, which is Julian's wife, at the Bitcoin Conference in Amsterdam launching this project. 7:17 And I think it was, at the time, actually a bunch of anonymous Bitcoiners who actually started it and got in touch and, and, and, and kinda launched it. 7:24 Um, and what they did was essentially took the, the seventy-six thousand plus, uh, logs in the Afghan war r- like, leak, um, which is w- the individual little snippets of time essentially, like explaining what happened at that time. 7:41 Um, and what they did in a cool way was they turned it into almost like a collectible, which is a all consistent design, um, but the, the text, the most important part is like front and center. 7:52 It's right there, you can see it. So I really just love that concept, and obviously I think it's the best use case for Ordinals, right? 7:58 Because, like, it's the most government-resistant, [chuckles] you know, uncensorable data solution that's ever existed, basically, and this is the best solution for it. 8:07 And it's, it, it really tunes to the movement, uh, is in tune with the movement as well. So I was super pumped to, you know, get a DM to say, "Hey, do you guys want to be involved?" I was like, "Yes, we're all in." 8:18 Um, but yeah, the-- these are not JPEGs. Uh, this is, this is, uh, this is like a lot of data. It's seventy-six thousand, uh, JSONs, right? So it's like it would be a... It is a lot of data to inscribe on Bitcoin. 8:31 And the cool thing about this project is by making it a collectible, we're essentially crowdsourcing the inscription costs, right? 8:38 So using our tech, we provide the files, and then we offload the minting cost to, to the, to the minter, to the person who's, who's joining the movement, right? 8:46 So that's just a way of us really, like, making it economical and making it really easy to do, and people can, can, like, choose to join the movement. 8:54 Um, when we, when we got on board, we, uh, looked at the art files, and they, they were SVG, um, but they weren't resizable. 9:02 So I reworked all the artwork as well into HTML recursive collectibles, which are completely resizable. Um, they take any, any of the records, 'cause they vary. 9:12 The war records vary in, like they could be one word, they could be five hundred words. 9:16 So the collectible itself has to be able to handle that, and I think it's really cool when you see them all individually or collectively. 9:23 The, the words are, if it's one word, it's large, uh, and if it's many, many words, it's like bundled into columns. 9:29 So I had to rebuild that with HTML and, uh, yeah, the result is really cool, and, um, it means the file size is much smaller as well, so it's actually less, uh, cost to inscribe as well for the end user, right? 9:41 And, uh, yeah, I'm just looking forward to getting it, getting it live again, people, people collecting them. [upbeat music] Let me tell you about one of the most slept-on opportunities in crypto. 9:50 Arch is building fast composable DeFi apps on Bitcoin. Arch apps tap into the OG blockchain with by far the most liquidity and best brand in crypto. 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Yeah. That-- It's very interesting and, uh, you know, I've thought a lot about, uh, I guess, 11:24 you know, Bitcoin being the largest network. It's uncensorable. You know, it's distributed through many, many thousands of nodes, uh, all around the world. Uh, I think it, 11:36 to me, for, uh, publishing, it's incredibly attractive. 11:42 Uh, you know, if I was, if I was a journalist or if I was, uh, somebody who wanted to publish my material, uh, you know, why not publish it, uh, you know, why not publish it on Bitcoin where you know, uh, it will never, ever, you know, be fucked with? 11:56 [chuckles] You know, no one's ever gonna go back and scrub, scrub anything out of it or, or, or ever be able to change it. 12:03 So I think to me, there's some really interesting aspectsUh, uh, a-a-around that for, for just-- not, not just publishing these archives, but also for these independent journalists out there who wanna publish the material and know that it's gonna be up there, know that they're not relying on, you know, X platform or Substack or AWS to host, you know, host their material. 12:27 Um, so I think that that's really interesting. And also the payment, you know, you've got the payment rails there, which WikiLeaks, uh, showed could not be disrupted by even the most powerful actors o-on the planet. 12:39 You know, WikiLeaks back in twenty eleven, uh, got debanked. Totally... A lot of people talk about debanking these days and-- but, uh, it was a proper debanking [chuckles] back then. 12:49 You know, they had their PayPal shut down, MasterCard, Visa, all, all shut down. Uh, Julian's personal bank accounts were all closed. 12:58 Uh, and I think PayPal to this day, uh, kept, uh, over a hundred thousand dollars of WikiLeaks, uh, WikiLeaks donations, and that's when they turned to Bitcoin and started using Bitcoin as, uh, their operating currency and were able to continue to publish, were able to keep operating, uh, using those uncensorable payment rails. 13:18 So these two elements together, I think are really, uh, you know, to me, uh, someone who speaks to a lot of journalists, whistleblowers, are really exciting. And then you've got the, 13:28 uh, the elements of AI which are coming into play now as well, where all this information, uh, and all these sources, uh, that the AI is referencing, uh, if they were referencing, uh, the Bitcoin blockchain with data that was, uh, uh, on the blockchain, data that you knew, uh, couldn't be changed, uh, I think, I think that's a really interesting, uh, aspect to it, uh, a-as well. 13:55 But, you know, people who have followed Julian's work, uh, who have followed WikiLeaks, uh, who have accessed the WikiLeaks database know that, uh, the website, uh, comes under attack. 14:06 It comes up, the servers go up, they come down. Uh, there have been times when the, uh, Afghan war logs have not been available, uh, for everyone. 14:16 So this is an opportunity for those people, uh, to really, uh, come and support this project individually. Uh, and, and like Russ said, you're crowdsourcing, uh, crowdsourcing this archiving. 14:29 So it's an opportunity for them to come forward and, uh, inscribe this information so it's there forever. And this is incredibly important information. 14:36 I don't know, uh, you know, it was, uh, some of these, these are real people in these, in these war logs. These are-- They talk about the deaths of civilians. 14:45 Um, the, the longest log, uh, is, uh, about a soldier who went AWOL, AWOL, Bowe Bergdahl, and the, and the search for him. Um, and he-- hi-his story is really, really interesting. 15:01 I mean, it is the longest log in the collection. 15:05 Uh, but it-- if you read up on him, it, it talks about how he was having trouble obeying his commanders and, you know, sent a message to his dad, um, the night before he went missing, saying, you know, "Dad, what do I do?" 15:18 And his dad wrote back to him saying, you know, "Do what you think is best." And that's when he just left the base, uh, and, and went AWOL. And, and so his story is really interesting. 15:27 And there's all these personal human stories that, uh, are part of this, uh, are part of this collection as well, which I think is really important in getting them, uh, inscribed and, uh, you know, living forever on the, on the Bitcoin blockchain. 15:43 Yeah. And, um, I'll, I'll throw a question to you, Brough, which is, you know, you and I have talked about like Bitcoin as a publishing medium, as like collecting, as a collector art platform. 15:51 It-- Ordinals open up many dimensions for Bitcoin to now look a little bit different and invite new people to come and do stuff on it. 16:03 You know, and this is a little bit different than the, uh, I would say, more market-driven Ordinals narrative over the past two years. Um, 16:13 and I, I just kinda invite you, like, to what are your thoughts on, like, how this kind of-- this type of use of Bitcoin differentiates from the other, like, world of Ordinals, which is mainly like market and secondary market speculation driven? 16:27 Yeah. I mean, it's obviously com-completely different from that. It's, it's got a core, like, message it wants to, to bring. Um, and it's, it's the history involved in it is incredible, right? 16:37 Not only Julian's, but, like, the people, uh, and, and, and characters in this, in these wr- logs, right? This is, is real. This is real stuff, right? This is not funny JPEGs. These are, these are real people. 16:48 Um, so it's completely different in that respect. But, uh, uh, I think it's a fantastic use case for Ordinals, uh, and Bitcoin. 16:55 Um, and hopefully it kicks off a meta of people understanding these use cases and like, okay, that's really cool. I like the crowdsourcing component there. I've got a data set. Can we do something similar, you know? 17:07 And I'm hop- that's my hope, um, that other people see the benefit of that. Um, but there's many different metas playing out over the last year I've seen in, in Ordinals. 17:16 You know, you have your speculative, you know, digital collectible market, but we are also working with some really cool pro- art projects as well. 17:24 Um, we're putting a George Braque painting on, on Bitcoin, and that's just pure historical reasons, right? Just to have it there. 17:30 And you look at the Library of Alexandria that burned down, you know, how much knowledge was lost there, like, who knows? You know. 17:37 Um, so the more stuff, the more knowledge and the more amazing things we can back up on Bitcoin, it'll be there long after we're gone. 17:44 And in the, in the, like, the case of Project Spartacus, like, long after we're gone and Julian's gone and everybody that's ever been mentioned in those logs are gone, um, that'll still be there and people can still see it and read it and learn about it. 17:56 It's never going anywhere, you know, no matter what. This meteorite that's coming, that can hit us [chuckles] all day long, and this thing will still be there. So that's what I'm passionate about, you know. Yeah. 18:05 It's interesting because Bitcoin is not cheap to put information on, and there is a, there is a limited amount of, like, space that-Bitcoin can, uh, you can put information on Bitcoin. 18:18 It's not very much, so you have to be very strategic, as you said, compressing the files. But it is interesting because you just-- you pay one time, and now you don't have to worry about server hosting costs and uptime. 18:32 So I guess to Gabriel, because, you know, you and your family have been huge advocates of censorship-resistant platforms and, uh, just freedom of the press and information, what are your thoughts on the general, um, landscape of censorship-resistant platforms, um, just out-- even outside of Bitcoin? 18:53 Um, I invite you to share your, your real thoughts and opinions here. Well, [laughs] I mean, that's-- there, there really aren't, uh, you know, I think there's a handful of censorship-resistant- That's what I mean. 19:05 [laughs] Yeah. Even the ones that claim to be free speech platforms, uh, you know, aren't really, [laughs] uh, free speech, free speech platforms. 19:14 I mean, uh, you know, I think, uh, protocol-based, uh, you know, things like Nostr, that-that's, uh, very interesting. 19:23 Uh, and, you know, I would say probably, you know, one of the only ones, uh, that, that is really, um, interesting from a free speech or from a, a platform, uh, perspective. 19:35 You know, y- most of everything else is, is very, very, um, you know, even X or, you know, th- they're all very fraught and difficult, uh, yeah, w-when it comes to speech. Um, you know, I think there's, 19:50 y-you know, we [laughs] you know, in Julian's campaign, a lot of the time we would just do live events, uh, and, and invite people to live events. 19:58 And, you know, we did hundreds and hundreds of live events all around the world because, uh, you can't be censored, uh, in a live event. 20:06 [laughs] You can invite people there and you can say, uh, you know, whatever you like, and you can talk to them directly, uh, without any intermediary, without any, um, anything in between, uh, you and them. 20:18 And that is ultimately one of the, one of the limited ways that you can communicate, uh, with people, um, you know, uh, directly without anything in between you. 20:28 And I think th- Bitcoin, uh, uh, the Bitcoin blockchain offers that, uh, offers that sort of similar, uh, connection, direct connection, uh, to people without going through, uh, you know, a, a server or, or, um, you know, a corporation. 20:47 You know, all these platforms are all owned by a corporation which is domiciled somewhere, which has to abide by the laws of, of, of some government, has to have licenses, uh, you know, that, that they have to adhere to. 21:00 So there is always ways to come after these, uh, to these platforms to get them to, uh, censor your speech, and we saw that. 21:07 Uh, we saw that, um, uh, you know, through the Twitter files, uh, and, you know, through, um, you know, Mark Zuckerberg coming out and saying, "Oh, we were pressured by the FBI." 21:18 So, uh, we know the techniques, uh, that are used to shut down, uh, speech on, on all these platforms. 21:27 Uh, and we know that the Bitcoin is, and the Bitcoin blockchain is totally resistant, uh, to that and has proved that it is resistant, uh, to that. 21:38 So I think, uh, you know, Bitcoin is one, and but Nostr also is one of these, uh, you know, these protocol-based platforms that is, um, you know, censorship resistant. 21:50 Um, it's not like a techno-feudal, uh, platform [laughs] like these other ones are. 21:56 You know, like X is sort of you come on there, you, you know, you're contributing all your information, you're contributing all your data, you're bringing people to their platform using, you know, your, uh, ideas, uh, you know, your, uh, creations are all on this platform. 22:12 You're bringing people to the platform, and then all of a sudden the f- the, the sort of feudal overlord decides, "Oh, I'm gonna charge everybody, uh, six, uh, six dollars to stay on this platform." 22:23 And you're like, "Well, hang on, you know, [laughs] these are, these are all my followers. This is all my data that I've given you." And so you're just at the mercy of, of these sort of feudal platform overlords. 22:34 And I think, uh, you know, 22:37 if you have, uh, something like Nostr, something like Bitcoin, where people know that that sort of interference is, is not gonna happen, uh, and that they can have the freedom to develop their ideas, uh, without, um, without some, without some overlord coming down and, and s- and, uh, saying, you know, "You've got to give me half of whatever you make or I'm gonna kick you off my platform," I think those are the really interesting places, uh, for creators, for developers, uh, to work in now. 23:07 Um, I would invite both of you to reflect on the past couple years in, um, Bitcoin and Bitcoin kind of adjacent ecosystems on, um, some like wins for, uh, free speech, privacy, and like freedom advocates and perhaps some failures, uh, for, uh, for people who advocate for those. 23:31 Um, uh, yeah, I, I'm curious because this-- it-- we, you know, w- in the Bitcoin world, we had Ross recently go free. 23:39 Now he's not a, not necessarily in the same kind of category, but it does happen parallel to, uh, Julian's release from custody. 23:47 But I invite both you guys to kind of reflect on, um, some of the things which we should be celebrating and some things which we should be, uh, uh, uh, sad about happening. 23:58 Uh, yeah, I, I can take it a little bit from the Ordinals side. I think that Ordinals is still a very nascent like ecosystem. 24:04 You know, we're all very passionate about, about what, what, what it means for Bitcoin and what we're bringing to the table. Um, but I think it's very nascent and there's not been-- it's been very speculative, right? 24:16 There's been a lot of communities built there and amazing things happening, but there's not, there's not been a movement yet like Project Spartacus with a real, real world like history and message behind it. 24:26 Um, so I think thatUp until now, we've been in build mode, right? We've been building this ecosystem, doing all the tooling and the wallet support and everything. 24:34 So there's not been, there's not been like, uh, space to, for, for someone to come with a real message, um, until now with Project Spartacus, and I think this is perfect timing when everyone knows what Ordinals is basically now. 24:46 Um, so, so it's a much more easier entry point, and, uh, I'm just looking forward to seeing the post-launch, right? To see now when we, when we mint out everything, and it's now there in the world, what does that mean? 24:57 Um, I, I think you'll find there'll be more, um, like, similar projects or similar ideas and mentality coming, coming to Bitcoin. Um, and that's not to say the last two years haven't had amazing things happen on Bitcoin. 25:09 There's been some really fun, cool movements and events and, and, and community-driven things, um, that have happened and, [clears throat] you know, uh, i-immaculate vibes in the Ordinal space. 25:20 Um, but I think in terms of real world movement, this is the one that will probably put a spotlight on, on Bitcoin as a data storage, yeah. What are your thoughts, Gabriel? Yeah, I have to echo Raph there that, uh, 25:33 you know, I think Pro-Project Spartacus, yeah, it is if-- when it mints out and, and when this archive is on the Bitcoin blockchain, I think that's really gonna, uh, bring a spotlight in, uh, onto what is possible, 25:49 uh, and that it will kick off really, I think, more and more development in, in that space. 25:56 You know, you say there's limited space on the Bitcho-Bitcoin blockchain, but I think that's-- there will be lots of refinement and lots of ways of thinking about how to get more data, uh, more efficiently, uh, uh, onto, onto the Bitcoin blockchain, partich-particularly as it's, um, you know, so censorship, uh, resistant just, uh, naturally. 26:18 But, you know, to, to the, to the more of the area-areas that I work in, the more of the advocacy areas, uh, you know, you mentioned, uh, Ross, uh, Ross getting free and Julian getting free, and I think that's really 26:31 speaks to a coming of age of the Bitcoin, uh, community in a way. They have sort of-- they've, uh, realized their, their power and, and realized, uh, that 26:46 how they can, uh, wield their power in the political system. And so I think that is very, very exciting to me. 26:54 Um, I've been advocating with the Bit-- you know, we've been advocating, uh, you know, since twenty-nineteen trying to get Bitcoiners to, uh, you know, realize that, um, you know, that how, how much power they actually have and how much they can use that power to get what they actually want, uh, you know, for a very long time. 27:13 And I guess it's still, still very much the case is that, uh, a lot of Bitcoiners, uh, sort of check out of the system, right? Like they're like, "Oh, well, I've got Bitcoin, that's my backup. 27:24 You know, like I'm, I'm not gonna invol-- get myself involved in the system. 27:27 Um, you know, I'm just gonna sit on my, uh, big pile of Bitcoin and, um, you know, that'll-- that's my only effort into, um, into having any influence or, or power over the system is using Bitcoin, um, to sort of check out." 27:45 And I think that's really, you know, I've, I've found in advocacy for Julian, uh, for Julian's freedom that, you know, that was a, a big problem. 27:53 People, huge people in the Bitcoin world, uh, didn't see the point of engaging, uh, engaging politically or using their power, uh, to get, to get these outcomes like Ross getting free or, or Julian getting free or, um, these different, um, aspects like a Bitcoin, you know, a Bitcoin reserve or, or other, o-other aspects. 28:15 So I think there's been this coming of age now, uh, and this success, 28:20 uh, that's been achieved, uh, everyone will see that and they can-- and, and a lot of these people who have sort of checked out of the system, I think will come around and start, um, you know, using their power, using the, 28:34 the influence that they have, uh, to make a difference. 28:36 But I think that always was a problem for us is that, uh, yeah, a lot of people, you know, thought that just using Bitcoin was enough, you know, and that, and that that would be all that they had to do to, uh, change, uh, change the world. 28:50 But, um, yeah, I, I don't think it is. And, and now we've got these great successes, and we've just gotta keep the ball rolling. 28:57 Hi, this is Charlie, and we at Blockspace are putting on OpNext, a technical scaling conference for Bitcoin. 29:03 It's coming up here very soon, April eleventh and twelfth at the Strategy, formerly MicroStrategy HQ in Tysons, Virginia. 29:12 Join us on April eleventh and twelfth for talks and presentations from the likes of Jameson Lopp, Jeremy Rubin, James O'Beirne, John Attac, and many more on the most pressing questions for Bitcoin's future and technical development. 29:25 Tickets go up in price on April first. They're going fast, get them while they're cheap, and we hope to see you all there in April. Go to opnext.dev, that's O-P-N-E-X-T dot D-E-V to get tickets and learn more. 29:38 So where does Project Spartacus go from here? I'm looking at it. You've got, um, a look, looks like a few thousand out of seventy some odd thousand pieces to inscribe. 29:53 What does, what does it look like in twenty-twenty-five? And, uh, I guess, is there a big, like, congratulations that pops up when they're, you know, on the site when they're all inscribed? 30:02 What does it, what hap- what, what does it look like? We, we just wanna make sure it works first and foremost. 30:07 Let's, let's, let's get the thing rolling and make sure we can support, uh, the demand and, and it doesn't go down again, 'cause we don't ever want this to happen again. 30:15 We want this to complete and then for the sake of the movement and, uh, we'll do everything in our power to make sure it doesn't go down again. 30:22 Um, and yeah, where it ends up, man, I think when this thing is inscribed, I think-Let's see, let's see, uh, one of the war records in the, you know, some MoMA or the Smithsonian or some together, you know, let's, let's put it everywhere. 30:36 Let's, let's print them out and put them everywhere, you know. Like, it's, uh, it, it should be commonpl- everyone in the world should know what these things look like, basically. So that's, that's the, that's the goal. 30:46 Yeah, well, this is the first, uh, the Afghan War logs were the first release from the Chelsea Manning, uh, leaks. 30:53 Uh, so there were the Afghan, uh, War Diaries, the Iraq War logs, uh, Guantanamo Bay detainee files showing, you know, that the minors were tortured in Guantanamo. And then there's the cable set, which is probably, 31:07 uh, I guess the most incredible, uh, data set of, of all of WikiLeaks, the two hundred and fifty thousand diplomatic cables, um, from the US State Department, from all their embassies all around the world. And I think, 31:23 uh, you know, 31:25 if, if, if and when we get this minted out, if, if those other data sets, uh, can wind up on, uh, the Bitcoin blockchain and be there forever, then that would be an incredible, uh, library of history, uh, for people to access, you know, in a hundred years into the future, knowing that it's not changed, knowing that they can trust the source, uh, and knowing that it will never be, uh, scrubbed, uh, from the Internet. 31:53 But I, I believe that 31:56 if this project mints out and it brings the attention, uh, I think the mainstream attention that I think it will, uh, when it mints out, I think that will be, uh, you know, very, very, uh, very significant, um, having those eyeballs, having people look at the Bitcoin blockchain and, um, see it not just as some-- not just as a store of value, uh, but a, but as something, um, that they can bring into their institutions and, and use, um, you know, for other things other than storing value or, or, or sending, um, value from one place to another. 32:34 All right, there you have it. Project Spartacus dot XYZ, I believe is the website. Um, is there any other information if somebody listened to this and they wanna go inscribe, uh, what do they need to know? 32:45 I'll throw it to you, Raph. Yeah, I mean, if it's, if your first time, you know, touching the Bitcoin ecosystem, touching, uh, ordinals, um, then I would recommend downloading Xverse Wallet. 32:55 Um, they're good friends of ours at Trio. Um, so download Xverse. It's very similar to MetaMask if you've used that on Ethereum. You know, you just... It's a browser extension. 33:04 Um, then when you go to projectspartacus.xyz, you can literally connect just like you can do with a MetaMask wallet. Uh, Xverse pops up, you sign in, click Mint, you click Sign, boom, you're off to the races. 33:17 You may need to top up with some Bitcoin first actually. [chuckles] That may, that might help obviously. 33:21 Um, but yeah, that's-- it's es-essentially like, uh, any other kind of, you know, collection minting process, basically. Um, so it's fairly intuitive if you've done that before. Great. 33:30 Well, I'll see you guys at seventy-two, S seventy-two thousand Afghan War log pieces inscribed. Cool. [chuckles] Hopefully ASAP. Everybody get over there. Yeah. I'll see you all on chain. 33:41 [outro music]
